With Vision
With Vision
Album cover for the CD edition.
Studio album by Place of Skulls
Released September 23 2003
Recorded 2002 at Lakeside Studios in Nashville, Tennessee, USA
Genre Doom Metal
Length 50:37 (CD)
Producer Travis Wyrick, Victor Griffin
Place of Skulls chronology
With Vision
Love Through Blood
With Vision is the second studio album by Tennessee doom metal band Place of Skulls, released in September 2003 via Southern Lord Records (SUNN27). This album is notable for featuring two legendary doom guitarists on the same album with Wino joining Victor Griffin and the only album to feature this short-lived lineup.


In Spring of 2002 Place of Skulls would tour with Spirit Caravan on the Caravan of Skulls tour from April to May. However at the end of the tour Spirit Caravan would disband, leaving Wino without a band for a time.

Not long after Scott Weinrich was in talks with the band about a possible collaboration, leading to Wino joining the band to work on the band's second album. Ron Holzner would attempt to join on bass but would umtimately be unable due to living in Chicago, far away from the band at the time so Greg Turley would take his place as bassist in these sessions. With Vision would be released in 2003 and labeled as a veritable doom supergroup to fans of that scene in a press kit with Southern Lord:

“A word from the Lord: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!? I can't sufficiently express how incredible this news is! THE TWO most incredible doom-metal guitar players in one band? UNBELIEVABLE! We will bring you the results of this incredible union AS SOON AS WE CAN!! Stay tuned for more info and hopefully downloads!!! LET THERE BE DOOM!!!”
— Greg Anderson, Southern Lord [1]

Eventually With Vision was released in September 2003 to positive reviews. While the four-piece lineup had plans at some point to tour, it ended up not being the case. Due to living in different states (Wino in Washington/Maryland and Griffin in Tennnessee, notably this was also a factor behind Holzner's departure) and clashing religious beliefs, Wino would depart the band and form a new band named The Hidden Hand.

“Well brothers and sisters, time for another look into our world of rock `n` roll...the way we see it. A year and a half ago, armed with an idea to bring together our styles and imagery to a single musical force, we laid down the groundwork for what we envisioned to be (and dubbed by the press) a super-group of doom metal. Together, we`ve stuck it out despite the pressure and stress of being in a band with members living in different states... not really the small feat it appears on the surface. We`ve now come to an amicable and agreed decision that to continue this arrangement is no longer feasible. The travel to and fro has become more of a burden than we probably admitted to ourselves in the beginning.and scheduling our personal responsibilities and commitments to an ever-changing calendar is just no longer worth it. So as of now, Place of Skulls will continue onward with Victor, Tim, & Dennis, while Wino focuses solely on The Hidden Hand.

We especially regret the disappointment that some of you may feel about this decision. We know from your feedback that a lot of anticipation was building for a tour of live performances. Again, we truly regret that this can`t happen. Never the less, we`re very thankful to have "With Vision" as a result of this relatively short working relationship. We feel confident and appreciative that we succeeded in bringing you a classic album that will leave it`s mark.

The shows that are already confirmed for PoS, as well as international tour plans, will go ahead as scheduled but without Wino.

From hearsay and offhand remarks, we know there`s a number of you who`ve "straddled the fence" from the beginning where Place of Skulls is concerned. We understand this. Sometimes we may come from a place or point of view that clashes with many of your own philosophies. That same backlash has been felt with The Hidden Hand. None of us are trying to push agenda`s here.politics and religions are the never-ending arguments that will never be 100% solved in this life. We propose an agreement to disagree where it may apply, and lets get on together with the enjoyment of some heavy ass music.

We`ve gained many new fans since the release of "With Vision", and we (Place of Skulls & The Hidden Hand) hope you`ll all stick around for the next chapter.

We speak with reciprocating respect and admiration for one another, and our respective bands, in saying our friendships remain strong and intact. Our only regret is that we won`t be able to fulfill the expectations of what could have been.


Victor, Wino, Tim, & Dennis”

— Place of Skulls, Official Statement [2]

At the time of release With Vision saw a CD and vinyl release, with the vinyl limited to 1000 (700 black and 300 "gold"). It would re re-released on MP3 via Stone Groove Records in 2016.

Place of Skulls - With Vision full album HD HQ hard rock metal-0

Place of Skulls - With Vision full album HD HQ hard rock metal-0


NOTE: Tracks 4 and 8 were omitted from the LP version due to vinyl limitations.

  • 1. Last Hit (3:42) (Griffin, Turley, Weinrich)
  • 2. With Vision (6:08) (Griffin)
  • 3. Long Lost Grave (5:54) (Weinrich)
  • 4. Nothing Changes (5:01) (Griffin, Turley)
  • 5. Dimensional Sojourn (2:49) (Weinrich)
  • 6. In Rest (1:21) (Griffin)
  • 7. Silver Cord Breaks (5:23) (Griffin)
  • 8. Willfully Blind (3:08) (Turley, Weinrich)
  • 9. Dissonant Dissident (1:52) (Weinrich)
  • 10. The Monster (5:01) (Griffin)
  • 11. The Watchers (4:38) (Beal, Weinrich)
  • 12. Lost (5:36) (Griffin, Kirkwood)



  1. Southern Lord via Wayback Archives Southern Lord's Page on Place of Skulls, accessed 27th February 2016
  2. via Wayback Archives Wino and Place of Skulls Part Ways..., accessed 27th February 2016
V·T·E Place of Skulls
Current Members Victor GriffinLee AbneyDan LivelyRussell Lee Padgett
Past Members Tim TomaselliRon HolznerGreg TurleyScott Weinrich • Dennis Cornelius • Pete Campbell
Studio Albums NailedWith VisionThe Black Is Never FarAs A Dog Returns
Other Releases Place of Skulls Live!Death Row Reunion 2000Love Through Blood
Associated Bands, Artists, Etc. Death RowPentagramThe ObsessedTroubleRevelationCathedralLate For An Early GraveVictor Griffin's In-Graved
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